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             o  we  now  have  the  Authorised  Professional  Practice  –   accounts). T e important issue is to individually record what their
             Armed Policing, Module 7 (APP) that has superseded the   honestly held belief of the situation was at the time force was used.
             Manual  of  Guidance  on  the  Management,  Command   T ere should, therefore, be no need for an officer to confer with
       Sand deployment of armed officers! But don’t throw away   others about what was in their mind at the time force was used. If,
       your old Chapter 7 because it explains a bit more about how you   however, in a particular case a need to confer on other issues does
       actually might carry out the PIM procedure. To be completely up   arise, then, in order to ensure transparency and maintain public
       to date I will attempt to refer in this article to Module 7 references   confidence, where some discussion has taken place, officers must
       of the APP.                                             document the fact that this has taken place, highlighting:
         As I mentioned towards the end of my last article I will concentrate   t    time, date and place where conferring took place,
       this time on conferring and the four stages of accounts. If we were   t    the issues discussed,
       to look back about two or three years the issue of conferring was   t    with whom, and
       a real ‘hot potato’ causing angst for practitioners, Post  Incident   t    the reasons for such discussion.’
       Managers  and  Investigators  alike.  I  thought  ‘these’  issues  had   Clear and simple isn’t it? For a while, this section was, and still
       settled down somewhat, partly because we all now understand the   is if I am to be honest, interpreted by many people, groups and
       legal implications and how to interpret it in practice. However,   particularly the media in various ways. I can remember some of the
       from  my  various  sources,  I  understand  that  this  is  back  on  the   press highlights:
       agenda  for  very  eminent  barristers  to  utilise  as  a  battering  ram   ‘Officers post shooting can no longer collude with each other’.
       against Principal Officers at Inquest! It would be remiss of me not   We can enter into a massive debate on the use of the four ‘c’
       to cover this and therefore prepare our PIM colleagues (and AFO   words  –  confer  and  corroborate  versus  collude  and  collaborate.
       practitioners) for what may occur in the future.        All have different connotations in different circumstances but in
         If we remember, following a number of very high profile police   my  mind  conferring  and  corroborating  are  perfectly  acceptable
       shooting incidents, observations and concerns were expressed by   and legal in the circumstances of post shooting. But if we do it we
       family members of persons shot and killed, or more likely, by their   should be honest and unashamed that we have and record that fact!
       respective legal representatives. T e Independent Police Complaints   Collude and collaborate I believe represent the unacceptable side of
       Commission had no alternative other than to pursue these concerns   what we might be accused of doing.
       in consultation with ACPO, Staff Associations and other interested   Two of these words are bandied about by various individuals
       parties. To get to the point, this resulted in a change in the ACPO   and groups perhaps maliciously or with complete ignorance, but
       Firearms Manual around Chapter 7 and what we have today at   in a way which regrettably is harmful to the Police Service and is
       7.99 (as updated by the APP – 7-041).                   far from, in my experience anyway, what actually happens. As I
         It was 2010 I believe and I was running a PIM Conference at   explained in my first article I have now been a PIM for 6 shooting
       Maidstone, Kent. T e changes were agreed and adopted by ACPO   incidents and I can honestly report that I have seen, supported
       and I consequently witnessed a ferocious debate about its content   and recorded conferring and corroboration but never experienced
       (and timing), because the Stockwell Inquest was in full swing and   the other two versions. Certain people may well disbelieve me but
       the changes highlighted were being identified by respective legal   I state what I see and experience as a forthright and honest Post
       teams. So it is worth stating what section 7.99 / 7-041 says:  Incident Manager.
         ‘As a matter of general practice, officers should not confer with   Most Police Forces now have a comprehensive Log for PIM use
       others before making their accounts (whether initial or subsequent   and within it is a section that clearly states 7.99 / 7-041. Many
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