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       popular belief, never for fun or outright   attended the PIM suite and offered the   and significant witness interview in a
       bloody mindedness. T eir training    opportunity for the Principal Officers to   more ‘bullish way’. I do ask the question
       clicks in and they make a decision on   meet them. T is is an integral part of the   if there is some political agenda or
       what they see in front of them at that   process because the SI can declare the   interference on this issue? I am sure
       particular time. Sure, they make mistakes   Officers’ current status as a professional   that there is a belief in some circles
       we are only human after all. But I   status or suspect at that very early stage;   that Officers get together after a Police
       believe as Police Officers carrying out an   something that the Officers’ find useful.   shooting, collude and make up a story
       extremely difficult role in often extreme   Of course I, as a PIM, must be respectful   that is clearly not true. All I can say is
       circumstances they deserve to be treated   of the Officers’ wishes as they may   “not on my watch” and that any such
       as professional witnesses and not as   not wish to face the SI at that time; a   presumption that they do is as far from
       suspects, unless there is very good reason   response also respected by the SI.  the truth as it could possibly be.
       (‘suspicion’) to do otherwise. T erefore   T e SI will ask the PIM if the rules   We all know that since the 7th
       every forensic request should be done so   of conferring have been applied. Rest   March 2013 the IPCC have the power
       with due consideration, necessity and be   assured PIM training obviously includes   to compel Officers to attend interview
       legal! An “I want everything” request is   in depth considerations around this   but the Officers are not obliged to
       simply not justified and at times borders   subject and PIMs are advised to ensure   answer questions. We are aware that this
       on breaching the human rights of that                                      power was brought in to help the IPCC
       Officer. As I have said many times before,                                   with the Hillsborough Enquiry but
       treat them like suspects and they will   as Police Officers                 seems to have been gleefully utilised in
       react like suspects. I temper that view                                    Police shooting incident investigations.
       with a total understanding of the difficult   carrying out                   Some of the early applications and use
       role the Investigator has to perform.                                      of this power that have come to my
         It is my experience that the Police    an extremely                      notice do leave me cold. Is this not a
       IIO will initially and understandably be                                   ‘sledgehammer to crack a nut’? Why
       very busy at the scene of the incident.                                    don’t we allow Officers to do what they
       Contact with the PIM is sometime later   difficult role in                  do professionally on a day to day basis
       into the process and limited. In the case                                  – write their statements (in accordance
       of a death at the hands of the Police they   often extreme                 with Stage four of ‘Providing Accounts’)?
       are ‘holding the fort’ until the inevitable                                If it is then deemed necessary to conduct
       mandatory referral and take over by the   circumstances                    an interview – fine! Officers will have
       IPCC. T at contact is generally by phone                                   the appropriate legal protection and
       confirming that AFOs involved are at the   they deserve                     support necessary. It seems to me that
       suite, that weapons will need to be seized                                 Investigators are too keen to serve
       and (again based on my experience) some   to be treated                    principal Officers with a notice at the
       discussions around clothing seizure and                                    PIM suite to compel them to attend
       enquiring as to the names of the Officers.   as professional                 interview which I believe puts them,
         Rest assured Post Incident Managers                                      their Federation Representatives and
       via relevant courses are taught to                                         their legal advisors immediately on
       challenge and delve into the reasons for   witnesses and                   the back foot. T e Police Service
       specific requests and their legality, and                                   appears to have a hang-up about the
       will politely but strenuously challenge   not as suspects                  word ‘interview’ which is however
       those requests.                                                            understandably interpreted in the same
                                                                                  context as ‘suspect’. I repeat: let them
       6*' +2%% 5'0+14                                                            provide statements and then conduct an
       +08'56+)#614  5+                     during the PIM’s meet, greet and brief   interview if necessary. It is my experience
       I keep on saying it, but in my own   that the rules around conferring are   that Officers’ statements have attracted
       experience a different approach is    explained and that Officers make a      widespread praise from Investigators as to
       apparent. Cordiality and a businesslike   note of any conversations they may   their content.
       manner clearly shine through. Any    have had between the shooting incident   Via various sources I have become
       requests made are thought through and   and arriving at the PIM suite. I have   aware of an even more alarming,
       not plucked out of the air at random. It   to say that this works and I repeat my   simmering and potentially damaging
       appears to me that any particular forensic   professional observation over many years   direction from the IPCC that Officers
       recovery requests made are specific to the   that principal Officers act in a compliant   should be separated at the scene and the
       circumstances and usually justified.  and complicit way.                    PIM suite post shooting. I thought the
         T e Senior Investigators I have dealt   Regrettably I have become aware of   PIM process was supposed to be moving
       with have been courteous to the Officers’   a ‘see-saw’ change in the approach of   forward on this subject and not going
       involved and supported their needs in   the IPCC over the last year. I am aware   in reverse back to the dark ages! If this is
       respect of their anonymity, both at the   and have knowledge that the IPCC is   true have the IPCC really thought this
       PIM suite and beyond. T ey have always   approaching the subject of conferring   through? Are they again acting under
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